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http://www.novinky.cz/clanek/159613-bulhari-vraci-uder-za-entropu-svejk-kali-na-cr.html
I laughed a lot,Svejk fouls CR...Well, I think the quotation is "hoisted by our own petards"?
I am not sure in you are familiar with Jaroslav Hašek´s novel "Good Soldier Svejk"  but someone there is very, very witty!!!:-)
Um...I wonder if this will go further? :-) 

on 2009-01-26 02:07 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] vjezkova.livejournal.com
*Grins* Fortunately the sense was still there... :-)

on 2009-01-26 02:26 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] entropy-house.livejournal.com
Oh, yes, it was perfectly understandable. I wouldn't have mentioned it, except that I thought you'd find it interesting.

English has a lot of 'invisible' things- incomplete phrases with parts 'understood'. Prepositions are also very difficult to explain as they often are colloquially used to do *strange* things.

For example, being 'locked up' can be (if used in the sense of a person in jail) very similar to a 'lock down' (when the jail's on high security), but being 'locked out' (not able to get access to a place, or to information) and 'locked in' (which can mean trapped in a physical place or unchangeable situation- as in 'the travel dates are locked in') have very different meanings. And then there's 'locked away' (kept in a secure place).

And then there are words that are spelled and sound exactly the same but have different origins so their meanings bear no relation at all. Such as 'lock, stock, and barrel' which is a phrase meaning 'complete- as in all the parts' and refers to the parts of an old type of firearm.

And then there are totally confusing things such as'slowing up' and 'slowing down' meaning exactly the same!

Ok, I had fun with that. :^)




on 2009-01-26 03:52 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] reapermum.livejournal.com
The phrase comes from Shakespeare.

Hoist is to be pulled or pushed up. A petard is a small bomb (for blowing open a door etc) or firework. So the whole phrase means Blown up by your own bomb

Just thought you'd like to know that.

on 2009-01-26 03:57 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] vjezkova.livejournal.com
Thank you very much! Although Shakespeare in not taught properly here together with the quotations, I discovered after reading a lot of sci-fi zines and other stuff, that Shakespeare is quoted every time, also Alice in Wonderland adn number of English classics:-) So I knew about this one - but I will be always grateful for any enlightening!

on 2009-01-26 11:34 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] entropy-house.livejournal.com
Ah! That sounds familiar, in a vague way. Thank you. :^)

on 2009-01-26 03:52 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] vjezkova.livejournal.com
Ah, hahaha, so YOU had fun! Well, these pretty expressions are a nightmare for most of us who struggle to learn English. They are known as "phrasal verbs" and apart from some that have somehow remained in my head, there is no hope I would remember more! You are so kind, I appreciate every chance to discover something but, to my chagrin, I will not be able to put it down without a dictionary (even WITH it).
Funny, I also tend to remember lots of a/idiotic b/vulgar c/strange etc words but not the standart ones :-)
I also confess that I learned a great amount of my vocabulary from TOS Star Trek books and later on almost only from TOS zines, B7 zines, and now Sharpe books. I sometimes shake my head over myself! But...I really love English!
Thank you!!!!!

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